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2: 105,495SLAUGHTERHOUSE - Welcome To: Our House: 97,532WAKA FLOCKA FLAME - Triple F Life: 96,698BIG K.R.I.T. Live From The Underground: 96,505DJ KHALED - Kiss The Ring: 90,877THE GAME - Jesus Piece: 86,589INSANE CLOWN POSSE - The Mighty Death Pop!: 75,596CURREN$Y - The Stoned Immaculate: 75,227E-40 - The Block Brochure: Welcome to the Soil 1-2-3: 73,087CHIDDY BANG - Breakfast: 71,940TRIP LEE - Good Life: 70,416DIGGY - Unexpected Arrival: 64,245. It also doesn't reconcile the idea of a nebulous 'hip-hop community' with the reality that keef came up completely through a hip-hop community, albeit one in chicago that the rest of the country had yet to recognize. Keef isn't asap rocky, who is as much a hipster phenomenon as he is a rap phenomenon. A lot of old school heads thing that keef is garbage but a younger generation of rap fans think he's a hot new rapper.

In reality, keef isn't even on the radar of pitchfork's core audience - he got a good response when he did 'i don't like' at pfork fest, but that was probably a bit skewed by it being held in chicago. The crowd was bored 3 minutes later by lil reese because they didn't know the song. There's no mention of keef in either a good or bad sense in the pitchfork reader's poll. He did not make the list of 20 best new artists.conversely, no one cares about the 'hipster media' when it's relentlessly pushing artists that are reviving (at least aesthetically) rap music that old heads grew up on. I wrote as an aggressively enthusiastic review for hipster media outlet SPIN on action bronson's blue chips as i did for keef's album, but no one had problems with that.

I don't see b.dot or whoever complaining that teenagers in dallas or chicago or atlanta don't give a shit about joey bada$$, especially when compared to people that listen to grizzly bear. Also re: in this case, but I think the same frustration could extend to many voices in mainstream media as well, if the source had originated there) weighing in on, and then elevating, a work of art created by a clearly troubled and troubling member of a culture both long marginalized and long on the defensive, particularly re its darkest corners and offshoots.i'm reading the biggie bio 'unbelievable' right now & NOTHING said about keef couldnt also completely apply there. Or to any of countless drug dealers & criminals inundating the ranks of successful rappers since year zero. What makes this different? (answer is obv aesthetics).

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Bill lyrically postulates, provokes, praises and reminisces alternately. The Grimy Awards is as much about what happened in Bill's tenure on earth thus far as what might have actually happened, and why. It's extremist in an attempt to overshoot reality and find a spurring medium between what we're led to believe is the truth, the actual facts, and terrifying potentiality. His prodding is a call to thought, and he uses chronological reference points to frame each verse- but the picture may not always be pretty.THE GRIMY AWARDS TRACK LISTING:1.What Does It All Mean? By Ill Bill2.Paul Baloff prod. By Moss3.I Don't Know How Long It's Gonna Last (Interlude)4.Acceptance Speech ft. By Junior Makhno5.Truth prod.

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By DJ Premier. Tbf i think within the past four months the two of us (and a few others) have been dragged into some weird twitter Future circle-jerk― rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:27 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmarkyeah it's really weird.

It reminds me of when you (or al?) said a while back that 2 chainz was getting features calls from everyone cuz someone in atlanta needed to ascend to the top even if he wasn't on gucci/jeezy/t.i. I sorta feel the same way about future right now except with music nerds need to have an 'auteur' to slobber over. Can we use a word besides 'persona' and hash this angle out if it's going to be the end-all-be-all, because it's starting to feel pretty meaningless to me. The lovesick vulnerable stuff has definitely made a lot of people feel attached to him as a person with a certain POV and appeal.i personally don't think he's that WEIRD!!!! And that anyone who uses played out outer space terminology to communicate how offbeat they are isn't really that odd or creative, but i realize that some people, including Future himself, have leaned on that too hard.

Can we use a word besides 'persona' and hash this angle out if it's going to be the end-all-be-all, because it's starting to feel pretty meaningless to me. The lovesick vulnerable stuff has definitely made a lot of people feel attached to him as a person with a certain POV and appeal.― some dude, Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:51 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinki don't feel like i know anything about HIM tho, he's like some disembodied third person.fwiw i don't think 2chainz has much of a persona either, or it's an extremely 1-dimensional one. I mean, i saw him live.

I've interviewed him. I have trouble getting much out of the dude. He just kind of works really really hard (thats what 'You Deserve It' is basically about) and makes amazing songs. He's an incredible songwriter, and the persona we're all attracted to is 'amazing songwriter.' He's a studio rat, and that's cool, and his music is great, but there's a lack of dimension there. This doesn't mean his great songs aren't great or something, but it's what makes artists who might miss in the songwriting dept. From time-to-time continue to connect w/ audiences despite the quality control issues.

Its why ppl will gloss over flaws. There's also just things like. On-stage charisma, star power.

He doesn't have these things.I guess I'm saying I just don't get enough from the autotune gargles on their own, or the spaceship references on their own, that songwriting is such a key part of what makes his music work. Whereas.and i already use this example. gucci can kill a song w/ a dope verse, or you are invested in who he is on tracks like 'frowney face' b/c you know his story and it resonates even if the beat to that song isn't the most amazing shit ever it becomes one of your favorite tracks.

I get what deej is saying re:future. Like, i love pluto but it's hard to construct any consistent image of who future is after listening to it. Would he be rude if a waiter fucked up his order? Would he laugh at a raunchy joke?

(does he even have a sense of humour?) would he be too cool to dance at a party? It's hard to come up w any impression that sticks, & i think it's telling that all the attempts itt (emotionally open romanticist, well, yes, it's an album of love songs) have more to do with devices he employs (astronaut imagery, hyperbole) than anything more intrinsic. (does he even have a sense of humour?)this is actually one thing that i think gets overlooked in the idolization of him (and focus on him) as this broken astronaut loverman swallowing his own trachea through autotune or whatever. One thing that i loved about pluto was shit like 'tony montana' - which is a completely ridiculous song - or 'long live the pimp' - where he sets you up to think he's gonna do a typical houston homage but then just makes a really banging 'same damn time' sounding track - or, of course, 'you deserve it' which is maybe a one of its kind track?he does have a sense of humor and it's one of the things i singled out about him in my review of pluto.

But i also think there's tracks like 'parachute' or 'i'm trippin' or 'homicide' or 'permanent scar' that are pretty mixtape filler level tracks (or his new mixtape, which is a lot of actual mixtape filler). Heh, I can kinda see what you're saying but your examples don't work for me at all - I've copped my fair share of gucci mixtapes, even rinsed the full length for a minute, but I still don't have any 'mental image' or 'persona' of gucci other than a dude who is good at writing non-standard flows and lyrics― 乒乓, Monday, January 28, 2013 7:34 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkthis is otm, i don't really see how Gucci has some amazingly fleshed out persona that Future doesn't, other than in the inevitable ways that come from being around longer and having more music out there.

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Re deej saying 'I've interviewed him. I have trouble getting much out of the dude.' : maybe it would help if he contrasted his experience interviewing Future with his experience getting dozens of incredibly bland one-sentence responses out of Gucci in this interview?― trench marianas (some dude), Monday, January 28, 2013 8:48 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinknice try muddying things but clearly being well-spoken in interviews is not a 1:1 with having a personality. Future could have answered in four paragraphs, it's not about length of sentences.

Tbh i kinda agree with deej and j0rdan w/r/t future but the worst thing about the goon thread is pretty much the refusal of most regulars to acknowledge that someone else can hear an artist/album in a different way and that that's just as validsomething like 'personality' isn't an objective thing that's there or not― lex pretend, Monday, January 28, 2013 9:42 AM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkthis is a bizarrely backwards argument - jordan & i are the ones arguing for hearing the artist/album a different way here. A lot of it is how much you instinctively connect with it too, or how you want your personality conveyed?for me personality is basically ludacris or missy or nicki, people who convey it as much or more through how they play with their voice and sound unlike anyone else as through their wordsgucci doesn't do that so it took me ages to really get a handle on his personality (but i did, eventually) - the things that make him completely distinct― lex pretend, Monday, January 28, 2013 8:49 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkthis is such a bizarre take on gucci. He has one of the most distinct deliveries and rap styles in history. Even the longer responses are dull as dishwater though'Yeah, on Atlantic.

That wasn’t one of my best albums. I think it was a nice album, but it wasn’t the best selection of songs that I could have put together at that time. I could have put together a better album. But the partners I had at Atlantic, we bumped heads so much. We couldn’t come together with the right album.

That’s why the partnership ended. I partnered up with Warner Brothers/Asylum, and I had 100% leeway to do the album the way I wanted to do it.'

He's the deej whisperer.timing definitely helped Future, dropping an album fairly early in the year and having a succession of singles where each was bigger than the last.i just think it's quickly becoming tiresome how y'all are treating this place as a repository for bitching about 'rap crit twitter' like we need more conflicts and differences of opinion to hash out. If WE say things on twitter you wanna discuss at length here fine, but when it's like a griping session about people who aren't ilx regulars that you could easily address these gripes TO it comes off passive aggressive. When will the hipster critic pazz and jop mafia realize that danny brown can't hit work in the mixolydian mode and exude the type of un-structured, unconstructed joie de vivre as, say, max b― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, January 28, 2013 11:00 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkyou are an insane person― trench marianas (some dude), Monday, January 28, 2013 11:08 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkagreed― vagina the escape G.O.A.T. Weingarten), Monday, January 28, 2013 11:28 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinki think you're all being a little hard on deej― d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Monday, January 28, 2013 11:24 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkFARTY FARTY FARTY A DERP A LERP A DOO― 乒乓, Monday, January 28, 2013 10:54 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink. Also i think deej is right about the persona/personality thing but of course it's a hard thing to quantify. Future's planetary concerns are pretty facile to me and even something like 'turn on the lights' is a great song that is really unique from a songwriting/sound perspective but is pretty normal in other ways.

I don't think you get a great sense for who future is from his music or what it's like to be around him. He does have a sense of humor as we talked about earlier, but he also often works in binaries emotionally.to stick with the gucci example, i think there was tons of personality inherent in his music, esp lyrically. He was coining phrases or ad-libs or cracking jokes, you just got the sense of someone outsized, colorful personality. Someone who could command a room. If we want to stick with the interview part of the argument, the amazing breakfast club interview that gucci did is a prime example of dude's personality.

He was making everyone on set crack up while also threatening jeezy (and play threatening the dudes from breakfast club) and flirting with the one woman on set. All that stuff comes through his music, where with future i think we talk a lot about vague 'feelings'. This is about his high placement on pnj and the harvilla essay, and the nature of his music as we've debated here. This isnt about 'twitter beef,' that twitter world is just a microcosm of crit future stanning more generally.

I mean, with pnj we have statistical evidence that this is a twitter phenomenon so id appreciate not bring accused of passive aggressive twitter beefing when I obv have no wualmd abt aggressive twitter beefing generally and when this is no different from the usual critics.vs. Real ppl 'hairsplitting' everyone here indulges in regularly. Fair points j0rdan, but i don't really feel like most of the enthusiasm i've seen for Future tries too hard to make a case for his innovation or his personality, it's really just about enjoying his voice and his chemistry w/ Mike Will and his hook writing. Maybe there are some really clear examples to the contrary, but we'll never see them since you guys are bending over backwards to avoid quoting or directly referencing all the people on twitter this totally isn't about. Xp― trench marianas (some dude), Monday, January 28, 2013 10:42 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkthe twitter world we're talking about is a microcosm of a larger trend.

Not hard to understand. Fair points j0rdan, but i don't really feel like most of the enthusiasm i've seen for Future tries too hard to make a case for his innovation or his personality, it's really just about enjoying his voice and his chemistry w/ Mike Will and his hook writing. Maybe there are some really clear examples to the contrary, but we'll never see them since you guys are bending over backwards to avoid quoting or directly referencing all the people on twitter this totally isn't about. Xp― trench marianas (some dude), Monday, January 28, 2013 11:42 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmarksure and i'm not ultimately hung up on the personality thing. It's not as big of a deal for me as it is for deej (generally speaking in terms of how we ultimately approach music). I just think it's an argument that is valid & can be supported. Ok who actually calls Future an auteur or discusses him in similar terms?

God forbid we name names or gives examples. I think when a rapper is known for writing hooks and not just hot 16s they're maybe thought of more like 'songwriters' but i feel like the extent to which Future is being treated by anybody as a Kanye type is being vastly exaggerated here.― trench marianas (some dude), Monday, January 28, 2013 11:48 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkhave you read the pazz and jop essay? Here's the thing, persona can paper over songwriting deficiencies, b/c you care about what is being conveyed by the artist, as can great rapping (cf all those songs where gucci just obliterates guest verses for some fairly wack rappers) but I'm not giving a pass to a guy whose primary appeal is 'songwriter' when he fails at the very task i wd describe as his 'primary appeal'― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 28 January 2013 03:48 (14 hours ago) Bookmarkwhy does songwriting likewise not paper over persona deficiencies? Do u accept you are putting a heavily personal bias on what should constitute primary and secondary? Deej can you just be rap game chuck eddy and say 'these are my opinions, if u dont like them, fuck u'every single thing you believe has to be backed up with all these insane thought labyriths and decathalon events and heatmaps and model UN games about completely immeasurable things, with the unstated belief that if you don;t agree with his conspiracy theories you're some herb rap dilletante and go listen to macklemore. We saw it with guccimania 08, we saw it with 'max b is the most important rapper alive' we saw it in the daily keef updates, and now comes 'Future isn't as good as the critics, including myself, have made it out to be'just say your piece and move on bruh fuck.

Deej when people - music nerds or writers or whoever - stan for an artist that doesn't mean they think the artist is flawless or can do no wrong, it's a reflection of how high they think the highs are and how much they connect with the artist on a fundamental level. That's what people are doing with future. I voted for roman reloaded in every ballot i submitted but not because nicki can do no wrong or there isn't a bad song on it.― lex pretend, Monday, January 28, 2013 3:01 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinki think this is generally true but obv jordan & i both feel like anecdotally it seems a bit overboard w future lately. Deej when people - music nerds or writers or whoever - stan for an artist that doesn't mean they think the artist is flawless or can do no wrong, it's a reflection of how high they think the highs are and how much they connect with the artist on a fundamental level.

That's what people are doing with future. I voted for roman reloaded in every ballot i submitted but not because nicki can do no wrong or there isn't a bad song on it.― lex pretend, Monday, January 28, 2013 4:01 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkeinh i don't really buy all this. Ilx discussion is so frequently about checking hype, everyone in this thread says some variation of 'he's got some good tracks but the hype is overblown' every single day. Kind of seems like you guys are just lashing out at deej, i mean j0rdan made the exact same point and no one is even addressing himalso dayo, homie. Please cool out on posting in rap threads. From one unfunny poster to another.

So what's the problem with his space references?guessing that people misconstrue this as personality when it's really just a dude randomly talking about space― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, January 28, 2013 8:49 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkExcept it's not? 'Dude randomly talking about' is basically the laziest way of reading an artist ever?The space references nod to ATLiens and signify adventurousness whitin a chosen field - as indeed Future is more adventurous than most trap rappers? 'You're an astronaut, and that's the only thing that matters to me', remember? It's pretty legible.

You might think that it's contrived or whatever but it's also a perfectly sane self-description from an artist like Future. What does this mean to you besides 'nodding to ATLiens'― d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Monday, January 28, 2013 9:23 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkShe likes to explore shit sexually.

He loves that because he's an explorer too. He's interested in seeing how far they can go, doesn't care about her past 'cause spaceships don't come equipped with. Also it's pretty close to a rap love song, which, while hardly unchartered territory, is still a way of turning his back on the safe homosocial fellowship of rappers, etc etc etc.

Cardo is the closest Ive heard to a modern Quik, for sure. He hasn't shown the variation yet though.― queef ka queef (SpottieOttieDope), Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkUm Everything Is Gold?― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:44 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkListened to this and its pretty boring. Just rides the same tempo over and over (2050 excluded) and uses the exact same drum kit on every beat. The detail is still there and the beats.sound.

crisp n all but he needs to step out of his zone. It's like he's trying to capture Quiks sound (lol Cardos Groove II) but doesnt have the chops to really make it special. Hopefully he keeps stretching and pushing and learning new things.Just reminded me to listen to Medley For A V (Reprise)that guitar. Gucci & future always seemed like a forced marriage to me. Gucci obv caught that future was gonna blow up but there wasn't any great chemistry there. I'm not sure why that is necessarily.

It also coincided with the lowest period in gucci's career artistically, so maybe that was part of it.scooter & OJ are sort of unspectacular and in that way they make good foils for gucci. As for gucci/waka, this is what i wrote in my 'ferrari boyz' review (a seminal piece of criticism obv):But here's the dirty secret about Waka and Gucci: They've never worked well as collaborators. Though they've now been on dozens of songs together, none ranks in either artist's upper echelon, and many have been an outright bore. On paper, their styles do not mesh, and in practice they don't either.

They both sound awkward and out of place on each other's tracks- Gucci blunts Waka's raw emotion, and Waka leaves little room for Gucci's writerly leanings. Subtext: most rappers these days come up on mixtapes then push singles so such a blunt parallel doesn't exactly say much. The difference is in who he has marketed himself to, what he has presented himself as and who he has aligned himself with. Or does the Gucci formula not take such into account?He developed a populist streak and cultivated a broadly palatable eccentric persona, something that clearly wasn't within Gucci's remit and most of these guys waiting in the wings don't really seem built for. I know for a fact my sister wouldn't let her kids listen to Gucci but my nephew definitely wants a big booty ho for his birthday and my niece beez in the trap. He has maintained some level of credibility amongst the core the put him on whilst branching out into pop markets. That's why he has been so much more successful and prolific than Gucci, that's how he cracked the top 40 consistently, which Gucci failed to do.

That's why you can't suggest that 2 Chainz is in the same position that Gucci was in in 09.And I'm ok describing Gucci's state as comfortable because he's not making any waves or doing anything above board to make himself a part of the conversation. He's coasting. Not knowing how hasn't exactly stopped a lot of post-prime rappers from trying. His appeal is very limited outside of his target audience. He's eccentric but not in a way that's endearing or broadly marketable.― tsrobodo, Wednesday, March 6, 2013 4:39 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkthis wasn't the perception at one point, which is why he was appearing on mariah carey singles and songs with usher.

He sidelined his own career but musically he certainly had the ability to cross over. The idea that him being a niche artist was a forgone conclusion is ex post facto reasoning imo.

This wasn't the perception at one point, which is why he was appearing on mariah carey singles and songs with usher. He sidelined his own career but musically he certainly had the ability to cross over.

The idea that him being a niche artist was a forgone conclusion is ex post facto reasoning imo― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 23:05 (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkNeither of those songs garnered him much shine and while still high profile, Usher and MC weren't cross-over heavyweights in 09. I've said nothing to suggest that he was destined to be a niche artist and I'm not trying to obscure the benefit of hindsight here, but it's clear that 2 Chainz has broader appeal than Gucci.

2 Chainz performed during all star weekend and did an ad for Addidas. I doubt Gucci even crossed the mind of the people that make these decisions when he was hot. Neither of those songs garnered him much shine and while still high profile, Usher and MC weren't cross-over heavyweights in 09. I've said nothing to suggest that he was destined to be a niche artist and I'm not trying to obscure the benefit of hindsight here, but it's clear that 2 Chainz has broader appeal than Gucci. 2 Chainz performed during all star weekend and did an ad for Addidas.

I doubt Gucci even crossed the mind of the people that make these decisions when he was hot.― tsrobodo, Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:31 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkusher and mariah carey werent high profile in '09???